MTFB Oscar Take: Updated Predix for Production Design, Costumes, Makeup/Hair, Sound and Visual Effects / Nominations: Satellite Awards and USC Scripter Award / Trailer for Riz Ahmed's Hamlet / Visitations: Jeremy Allen White, Jesse Buckley and Noah Baumbach

MTFB OSCAR TAKE: UPDATED PREDIX FOR PRODUCTION DESIGN, COSTUMES, MAKEUP/HAIR, SOUND AND VISUAL EFFECTS 

Today we update the final five feature categories with predictions for Production Design, Makeup/Hair, Costumes, Sound and Visual Effects. A film's previous ranking is to he right of the title in parentheses. All TFF #52 films are in Bold.    Here they are:

PRODUCTION DESIGN

1) Frankenstein (1)

2) Sinners (4)

3) Hamnet (2)

4) Wicked: For Good (3)

5) Marty Supreme (NR)

Others: Avatar: Fire and Ash, One Battle After Another and The Fantastic Four: First Steps.

COSTUME DESIGN

1) Frankenstein (2)

2) Wicked: For Good (1)

3) Sinners (3)

4) Hamnet (4)

5) One Battle After Another (NR)

Others: Hedda and Marty Supreme and Train Dreams.

MAKEUP AND HAIR

1) Frankenstein (1)

2) Wicked: For Good (2)

3) Sinners (4)

4) The Smashing Machine (3)

5) One Battle After Another (NR)

Others: Kokuho, The Ugly Stepsister and The Alto Knights.

SOUND DESIGN

1) Sinners (2)

2) F1 (1)

3) One Battle After Another (4)

4) Wicked: For Good (3)

5) Frankenstein (NR)

Others: Avatar: Fire and Ash, Sirat and Springsteen: Deliver Me from Nowhere..

VISUAL EFFECTS

1) Avatar: Fire and Ash (1)

2) F1 (2)

3) Frankenstein (5)

4) Superman (4)

5) Sinners (NR)

Others: Wicked: For Good, Tron: Ares, Jurassic World Rebirth.

As of this morning's post if the MTFB Oscar Take is 100% accurate, Ten TFF films will earn 42 nominations on announcement morning-Jan. 22nd.  Hamnet will lead TFF films with 11 nominations.

Here's how that could shake out:

Hamnet (11): Best Picture, Direction, Actress (Buckley). Supporting Actor (Mescal), Adapted Screenplay, Casting, Costumes, Cinematography, Editing, Original Score and Production Design.

Frankenstein (10): Best Picture, Supporting Actor (Elordi), Adapted Screenplay, Cinematography, Original Score, Production Design, Costumes, Makeup/Hair, Sound and Visual Effects.

Sentimental Value (8): Best Picture, Direction, Actress (Reinsve), Supporting Actress (Fanning and Lilleaas), Supporting Actor (Skarsgard), Original Screenplay and International Feature.

It Was Just an Accident (4): Best Picture, Direction, International Feature and Original Screenplay.

Jay Kelly (2): Best Picture and Original Screenplay.

The Secret Agent (2): Best Actor (Moura) and International Feature.

Bugonia (2): Best Actress (Stone) and Adapted Screenplay.

Blue Moon (1): Best Actor (Hawke).

Cover-Up (1) Best Documentary.

Apocalypse in the Tropics (TFF #52) (1): Best Documentary.

One Battle After Another and Sinners are currently predicted to lead all nominees with 13 each.

NOMINATIONS

SATELLITE AWARDS

International Press Academy's nominees for the Satellite Awards for TFF films:

Hamnet (10): Best Picture/Drama, Direction, Actress/Drama (Buckley), Supporting Actor (Mescal), Adapted Screenplay, Cinematography, Editing, Production Design, Costumes and Score.

Frankenstein (10): Best Picture/Drama, Direction, Actor (Isaac), Supporting Actor (Elordi), Cinematography, Production Design, Costumes, Score, Makeup/Hair, Visual Effects.

Sentimental Value (8): Best Picture/Drama, Direction, Actress (Reinsve), Supporting Actress (Fanning and Lilleaas), Supporting Actor (Skarsgard), Original Screenplay and International Feature.

Bugonia (5): Best Picture/Comedy or Musical, Best Actor/Comedy or Musical (Plemons), Best Actress/Comedy or Musical (Stone), Adapted Screenplay and Makeup/Hair.

It Was Just an Accident (3): Best Direction, Original Screenplay and International Feature.

The Secret Agent (2): Best Actor/Comedy or Musical (Moura), International Feature.

Jay Kelly (2): Best Actor/Comedy or Musical (Clooney), Original Screenplay.

Nouvelle Vague (1): Best Picture/Comedy or Musical.

Blue Moon (1): Best Actor/Comedy or Musical (Hawke).

If I had Legs I'd Kick You (1): Best Actress/Comedy or Musical (Byrne).

Cover-Up (1): Best Documentary.

USC SCRIPTER AWARD NOMINATIONS:

Of the five nominees for Best Adapted Screenplay TFF #52 had two: Hamnet and Frankenstein.  The other three were: Train Dreams, One Battle After another and Peter Hujar's Day.

TRAILER FOR RIZ AHMED'S HAMLET:

VISITATIONS

Jeremy Allen White for Springsteen: Deliver Me from Nowhere with Next Best Picture.

Jesse Buckley for Hamnet from CBS News Sunday Morning.

Noah Baumbach for Jay Kelly from The Hollywood Reporter's Awards Chatter Podcast.

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Post Oscar Nominations Musings / I Had a Pretty Good Day / Satellite Awards and TFF / Correction

POST OSCAR NOMINATION MUSINGS

Now comes the time when our focus shifts from Oscar nominations to Oscar wins.  The Academy Awards ceremony is set for March 2nd.

I'll begin tracking the various categories over the next five weeks as I try to predict what films will win what categories.  What's fun is that there doesn't seem to be a frontrunner for Best Picture.  You could make a case for several of the ten films winning the Big Prize.  Emilia Perez with the most nominations, 13 in all, the most ever for an International film and just one nomination short of the all time record.  But not every film with 13-14 nominations wins Best Picture...Just ask the producers of La La Land.

Also making strong cases as candidates to win: The Brutalist, Conclave, Anora and A Complete Unknown.  Wicked still has a shot.  

My gut says that A Complete Unknown and Conclave have momentum right now.  I'll have the first set of "winner" predictions on Thursday.

We'll also get some insight as the various Guilds weigh in with their winners.  The directors and the Producers Guilds start the parade on Feb. 8th.

I HAD A PRETTY GOOD DAY 

Those that have been reading this space for some time and especially during this chunk of the year when MTFB focuses on the Oscar season probably have a good sense of the level of prediction success has been.  For those who don't, here are the prediction success rates for the past few years:

2024: 91 of 120-75.8%

2023: 93 of 120-77.5%

2022: 87 of 120-72.5%

2021: 87 of 118-73.7%

2020: 100 of 124-80.6%

2019: 95 of 122-77.9%

Overall during this period   of 724 for correct prediction rate of 76.4%.  This year I was a bit ahead of that with 97 correct predictions out of 120.  The correct rate?  80.8%. That raises the overall rate to 77%.

Additionally, in nine categories the film I had in the first alternate spot was nominated.

Categories where I got all the nominees: Actress, Supporting Actor, Adapted Screenplay, Original Screenplay, Animated Feature, Production Design and Makeup/Hair

My worst non-short category was Original Song where I got only three of the five.

In all but one category I had all the all of the nominees predicted as nominees or alternates.  The one category where that was not true was Best Picture where I didn't have I'm Still Here within a mile of being nominated.  I really thought that if the Academy chose a second International film (in addition to Emilia Perez) it would have been All That We Imagine as Light or The Seed of the Sacred Fig.  

Finally, as I am being immodest concerning my predix this year, had I been a Gold Derby Expert or Editor...I would have topped them all for accuracy.  Here's where they ended up:

Gold Derby Experts:

Gold Derby Editors:

I'll be waiting for my invitation to join Gold Derby's panel for next year.

SATELLITE AWARDS AND TFF

The International Press Academy's Satellite Awards winners were announced Saturday Night.  TFF films landed five wins:

Anora: Best Motion Picture (Comedy or Musical)

A Real Pain: Original Screenplay

Nickel Boys: Adapted Screenplay

Emilia Perez: Original Score, Original Song (Mi Camino)

The Brutalist was named Best Picture (Drama).

The complete list of winners and nominees can be found here.

CORRECTION

I had a note from an anonymous reader last week that TFF #50 also had an Oscar nomination for Best Documentary Short. Incident did indeed screen at TFF #50.

That brings the totals for TFF films for this year's Academy Awards to 14 films with 41 nominations.

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MTFB Oscar Update: First Predix for Visual FX, Sound, Makeup/Hair and Costumes / Satellite Awards Nominations Announced / London Film Critics' Circle and TFF / Interviews and Profiles

MTFB OSCAR UPDATE; FIRST PREDICTIONS FOR VISUAL FX, SOUND, MAKEUP/HAIR AND COSTUMES

Today's edition of MTFB's Oscar Update features my first attempt at predicting the nominees in the last four feature categories.  As always TFF films are Bold.

VISUAL EFFECTS

1) The Creator

2) Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3

3) Poor Things

4) Spiderman: Across the Spiderverse

5) Godzilla Minus One

Alternates: Society of the Snow, Transformers: Rise of the Beasts and Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny.

SOUND

1) Oppenheimer

2) Maestro

3) Ferrari

4) The Color Purple

5) Killers of the Flower Moon

Alternates: The Zone of Interest, The Killer and Barbie.

COSTUMES

1) Barbie

2) Poor Things

3) The Color Purple

4) Killers of the Flower Moon

5) Maestro

Alternates: Oppenheimer, Wonka and Napoleon.

MAKEUP AND HAIR

1) Maestro

2) Poor Things

3) Barbie

4) Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3

5) The Color Purple

Alternates: Nyad, Oppenheimer and Killers of the Flower Moon. 

And with the addition of predictions for these four categories, here are total predicted nominations for the feature categories:

Poor Things leads with12 nominations: Best Picture, Direction, Actress (Stone), Supporting Actor (Ruffalo), Adapted Screenplay, Cinematography, Editing, Score, Production Design, Visual Effects, Costumes, Makeup/Hair.  An additional nomination could come for Supporting Actor foe Willem Dafoe.

I have Oppenheimer with 11 nominations: Best Picture, Direction, Actor (Murphy), Supporting Actress (Blunt), Supporting Actor (Downey Jr.), Adapted Screenplay, Cinematography, Editing, Score, Production Design, Sound.  Additional nominations are possible in Makeup/Hair and Costumes.

Killers of the Flower Moon also with 11 nominations: Best Picture, Direction, Actress (Gladstone), Supporting Actor (DeNiro), Adapted Screenplay, Cinematography, Editing, Score, Production Design, Sound and Costumes.  Additional nominations are possible for Actor (DiCaprio) and Makeup/Hair.

Maestro with 11 nominations: Best Picture, Direction, Actress (Mulligan), Actor (Cooper), Original Screenplay, Cinematography, Editing, Production Design, Sound, Costumes and Makeup/Hair.

Barbie with 10 nominations: Best Picture, Direction, Supporting Actor (Gosling), Original Screenplay, Production Design, Editing, Costumes, Makeup/Hair and two for Best Song.  Barbie also has possible shots for Best Actress (Robbie), Supporting Actress (Ferrera), Sound and a third Song.

That's five films with double digit nominations.  Has that ever happened before?

Other TFF films I am currently predicting get nominations:

The Holdovers with 4: Best Picture, Actor (Giamatti, Supporting Actress (Randolph) and Original Screenplay.  It could also slide into nominations for Direction, Supporting Actor (Sessa) and Editing.

The Zone  of Interest with 4: Best Picture, International Film, Cinematography and Score.  Zone could also score nominations for Direction, Adapted Screenplay and Sound. 

Anatomy of a Fall with 2 nominations: Best Actress (Huller) and Original Screenplay.  Anatomy could also sneak into a Best Picture nomination Perhaps displacing The Color Purple which I currently am predicting for five nominations including Best Picture.

Nyad with 2 nominations: Best Actress (Bening) and Supporting Actress (Foster).  Maybe a shot at Makeup/Hair.

Rustin with 2 nominations: Best Actor (Domingo) and Song.

All of Us Strangers with one nominations: Best Actor (Scott).  Also possible for Adapted Screenplay.

American Symphony with one nomination: Best Documentary and a possibility at Song.

Beyond Utopia with one nomination for Best Documentary.

I am currently predicting that four of the five nominees for Best International film will be films that screened at TFF: The previously mentioned The Zone of Interest would be accompanied by The Taste of Things, The Teachers' Lounge and Perfect Days.

Among TFF films that I am not currently predicted get nominations there are films that might still earn some including"

Saltburn:  Possible nominations for Supporting Actress (Pike), Original Screenplay and Cinematography.

El Conde could get a Cinematography nomination.

Anselm could get a nomination for Best Documentary.

Fallen Leaves could be nominated for Best International Feature.

Total TFF nominations predicted by MTFB as of today: 31 with another 16 possible.

SATELLITE AWARDS NOMINEES ANNOUNCED

The International Press Academy (IPA) announced its nominees for film excellence on Monday.  11 TFF films earned at least one nomination.  Here's the breakdown of those:

Poor Things (8): Best Picture (Comedy or Musical), Direction, Actress (Comedy or Musical), Supporting Actor, Adapted Screenplay, Score, Editing and Costumes.

The Holdovers (7): Best Picture (Comedy or Musical), Direction, Actress (Comedy or Musical), Supporting Actress,  Supporting Actor, Original Screenplay, Editing.

Anatomy of a Fall (3): Best International Film, Actress (Drama), Original Screenplay.

Saltburn (3): Best Actor (Comedy or Drama), Supporting Actress, Cinematography.

The Zone of Interest (3): Best International Film, Direction, Adapted Screenplay.

All of Us Strangers (2): Best Actor (Drama) and Adapted Screenplay.

American Symphony (2): Best Documentary and Song.

Fallen Leaves (2): Best International Film and Actress (Comedy or Musical).

Rustin (2): Best Actor (Drama) and Song.

The Taste of Things (1): Best Supporting Actress.

The Teachers' Lounge (1): Best International Film.

In all TFF films earned 34 nominations.  The IPA will announce the Satellite winners on Jan. 27th.

Here's the complete list from the IPA website.

LONDON FILM CRITICS' CIRCLE AND TFF

The London Film Critics' Circle announced their nominees for film excellence on Wednesday.  The winners will be announced on Feb. 4th.

Andrew Haigh's All of Us Strangers led all films with nine nominations.

Here's the rundown of TFF films with nominations:

All of us Strangers (9): Film of the Year, British/Irish Film of the Year, Actor of the Year, Supporting Actress of the Year, Supporting Actor of the Year, Screenwriter of the Year, British/Irish Performer of the Year (both Andrew Scott and Pail Mescal) and Casting.

Poor Things (6): Film of the Year, British/Irish Film of the Year, Director of the Year, Actress of the Year, Supporting Actor of the Year, Casting.

The Zone Interest (6): Film of the Year, Foreign language Film of the Year, British/Irish Film of the Year, Director of the Year, Supporting Actress of the Year and Music/Sound.

The Holdovers (4): Film of the Year, Actor of the Year, Supporting Actress of the Year, Breakthrough Performer of the Year.

Anatomy of a Fall (4): Film of the Year, Foreign Language Film of the Year, Actress of the Year and Screenwriter of the Year.

Saltburn (3): Supporting Actress of the Year, British/Irish Performer of the Year and Casting.

Fallen Leaves (1): Foreign Language Film of the Year.

Beyond Utopia (1): Documentary of the Year.

Eight TFF films were named for a total of 34 nominations.

Here's the complete list of all nominees from the LFCC website.

INTERVIEWS AND PROFILES

Jamie Bell for All of Us Strangers from Awards Watch.

Jon Batiste for American Symphony from Nest Best Picture Podcast.

Alma Poysti for Fallen Leaves from Awards Watch.

Cinematographer Linus Sandgren for Saltburn from Awards Radar.

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MTFB Oscar Take: Supporting Update / Satellites and TFF #49 / BIFA and TFF #49 / The Playlist 100 and TFF #50 / Visitations: Downey Jr., Whishaw and Wells

MTFB OSCAR TAKE: SUPPORTING UPDATE

I am updating predictions in the categories of Best  Supporting Actress and Best Supporting Actor.  These were last predicted on Nov. 24th.  Past ranking is to the right of the performer in parentheses.  Performances from TFF #49 are in Bold.

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS

1) Jesse Buckley/Women Talking (1)

2) Kerry Condon/The Banshees of Inisherin (2)

3) Jamie Lee Curtis/Everything Everywhere All at Once (5)

4) Clare Foy/Women Talking (3)

5) Hong Chau/The Whale (6)

6) Carey Mulligan/She Said (4)

7) Angela Bassett/Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (7)

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR

1) Ke Huy Quan/Everything Everywhere All at Once (2)

2) Brendan Gleeson/The Banshees of Inisherin (1)

3) Judd Hirsch/The Fabelmans (3)

4) Paul Dano/The Fabelmans (4)

5) Ben Whishaw/Women Talking (5)

6) Barry Keoghan/The Banshees of Inisherin (6)

7) Bryan Tyree Henry/Causeway (New)

Out: Eddie Redmayne/The Good Nurse 

SATELLITES AND TFF #49

The International Press Association announced the nominees for its Satellite Awards earlier this morning.  TFF #49 earned 25 nominations with one other nomination for a TFF #48 film.  Here's the breakdown:

Women Talking-6: Best Picture/Drama, Direction, Supporting Actress (Foy), Supporting Actor (Whishaw), Adapted Screenplay and Original Score

TAR-4: Best Picture: Drama,/Actress (Blanchett), Original Screenplay, Editing

Living-4: Best Picture/Drama, Actor (Nighy), Adapted Screenplay and Costumes

Empire of Light-2: Cinematography and Costumes

Close-2: Best Picture/ International  and Original Screenplay

Good Night Oppy-2: Best Documentary, Visual Effects

Armageddon Time-1: Supporting Actor (Strong)

Holy Spider-1: Best Picture/International

Bardo-1: Best Picture/International

The Return of Tanya Tucker-1: Documentary

All the Beauty and the Bloodshed-1: Documentary

And from TFF #48- Marcel the Shell with Shoes On for Best Animated Film

I am particularly pleased with the love for Living, the nominations for Jeremy Storng and Ben Whishaw in Supporting Actor and, of course, the Marcel nomination.

The complete list of nominees is linked here from the IPA.

BIFA AND TFF #49

The British Independent Film Awards were named  this past week and TFF #49 fils garnered nine awards led by Aftersun which won more BIFAs than any other film with seven.  The Wonder and Living each picked up a single accolade.  here's the breakdown:

Aftersun: Best British Independent Film, Direction, Debut Director, Screenplay, Cinematography, Editing and Music Supervision.

The Wonder: Best Original Music.

Living: Best Production Design.

The complete list of nominees and winners from BIFA is linked here.

THE PLAYIST 100 AND TFF #50

As has become my habit, here is my review of The Playlist's just published 100 Most Anticipated Films of 2023 and some guesses as to what from that list that could make the lineup of the 50thedition of the Telluride Film Festival.  

Last year I ended up naming five films that DID play TFF #49: TAR, Armageddon Time, Bardo, Bones and All and Women Talking.  Looking back, it seems 5-6 films is about my average to get right from this exercise and generally they are films that are among the top 20 of the list.

Here are this year's guesses in the order that they appear on the list;

84) Rustin

78) Shirley

77) The Royal Hotel

66) The End

39) Strangers

37) The Actor

35) Nightbitch

34) The Way of the Wind

33) Love Lies Bleeding

29) Beth and Don

27) Megalopolis

16) Blitz

15) May/December

14) El Conde

11) Zone of Interest

10) Maestro

8) Priscilla

7) Poor Things

2) The Killer

1) Killers of the Flower Moon

Admittedly, The Killer and Flower Moon are likely more wishful thinking but a guy can dream.

The complete Playlist list is linked here.

VISITATIONS

Downey Jr. on Sr. from Indiewire.

Ben Whishaw on Women Talking from Gold Derby.

Charlotte Wells on Aftersun from Film at Lincoln Center.

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New York Critics Love Roma (and First Reformed) / Latest Gurus o' Gold / Satellite Nominations Announced / More Interviews

Welcome back from your weekend and to the first of December.


NEW YORK CRITICS LOVE ROMA (AND FIRST REFORMED)

The New York Film Critics Circle met in NYC on Thursday last week and named the recipients of their accolades for 2018.  Telluride films from TFF #45 and TFF #44 had some results to be pleased with.

Alfonso Cuaron's TFF #45 entry Roma was named Best Film of 2018 and was also named winner for Direction and Cinematography.  Other TFF #45 awards went to Pawel Pawlikowski's Cold War as Best Foreign Language Film and Richard E. Grant for his Supporting Performance in Marielle Heller's Can You Ever Forgive Me?

Meanwhile Paul Schrader's First Reformed from TFF #44 was named winner for Best Screenplay and its lead, Ethan Hawke, was named Best Actor.

Telluride films claimed seven of the 12 competitive awards that were determined by the NYFCC.

My take: We probably need to take Ethan Hawke seriously as a potential Oscar nominee for Best Actor as well as First Reformed as a possible Best Picture nominee.

Coverage of the NYFCC awards is linked here from Indiewire.



LATEST GURUS OF GOLD

The newest Gurus o' Gold at Movie City News went up on Friday.  We Gurus were asked to update Best Picture as well as ranking for possible nominees for Best Foreign Language Film and Best Documentary.

My ballot looked like this:

Best Picture

1. A Star Is Born
2. Roma
3. Green Book
4. The Favourite
5. Vice
6. If Beale Street Could Talk
7. Black Panther
8. BlacKkKlansman
9. First Man
10. Can You Ever Forgive Me?
11. Mary Poppins Returns
12. First Reformed

Best Documentary

1. Won't You Be My Neighbor
2. RBG
3. Free Solo
4. Minding the Gap
5. Science Fair
6. Qunicy
7. Crime + Punishment

Best Foreign Film

1. Roma
2. Cold War
3. Shoplifters
4. Burning
5. Capernaum
6. Sunset
7. Border

The TFF presence from the complete Gurus assessment from Friday has


The complete new Gurus o' Gold chart is linked here.


SATELLITE NOMINATIONS ANNOUNCED

The International Press Academy announced their nominees for their 23rd annual Satellite Awards on Thursday last week.

Among Telluride films, Yorgos Lanthimos' The Favourite was the most nominated film with nine competitive nominations as well as a special ensemble prize.  It was nominated for Best Feature-Musical/Comedy, Best Actress Musical or Comedy (Colman), Best Supporting Actress (both Stone and Weisz), Direction, Original Screenplay, Cinematography, Costumes and Art Direction/Production Design.

Alfonso Cuaron's Roma was nominated in eight categories: Best International Film, Best Actress Drama- Yalitza Aparicio, Direction, Original Screenplay, Cinematography, Film Editing, Sound, Art Direction/Production Design.

Damian Chazelle's First Man was nominated seven times: Best Feature-Drama, Best Actor-Drama (Gosling), Best Supporting Actress (Foy), Score, Sound, Film Editing, Art Direction/Production Design.

Joel Edgerton's Boy Erased was nominated in four categories: Best Actor-Drama (Hedges), Best Supporting Actress (Kidman), Best Supporting Actor (Crowe), Song.

Marielle Heller's Can You Ever Forgive Me was thrice nominated: Best Actress-Drama (McCarthy), Best Supporting Actor (Grant), Best Adapted Screenplay.

Paul Schrader's TFF #44 entry First Reformed was nominated three times: Best Independent Feature, Best Actor-Dram (Hawke) and Best Original Screenplay.

Pawel Pawlikowski's Cold War was a two time nominee for Best International Feature and Cinematography.

Other TFF #45 films that earned one nomination were:

Destroyer-Best Actress-Drama (Kidman)
The Old Man and the Gun-Best Actor-Drama (Redford)
Shoplifters- Best International Feature
Free Solo-Best Documentary Feature

TFF #45 films nabbed a total of 37 Satellite nominations.

The full list of all nominees is here from the IPA.


MORE INTERVIEWS

Melissa McCarthy in Can You Ever Forgive Me?

Melissa McCarthy/Can You Ever Forgive Me? from Deadline

Joel Edgerton/Boy Erased from Deadline

Robbie Ryan (cinematographer)/The Favourite from The Film Stage

Justin Hurwitz (composer)/First Man from Gold Derby


That's your MTFB for this Monday.  I'll have more on Thursday in a post that will be updated during the day to reflect Golden Globe nominations and Telluride's impact on them.  Until then...


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